I live, write, and garden in the PNW with my husband of 27 years, disabled daughter, college-aged son, and my 84-year-old mother. We have paid off $250,000.00 worth of debt (if you include the interest) in the last fifteen years and as of 6/12/2020 are 100% DEBT FREE!!!!70,000,000 registered voters did not vote in the election this week. A further 20,000,000 eligible voters did not register to vote. That means 90,000,000 people, give or take a few thousand due to life circumstances like a heart attack or stroke or giving birth, in America did not think who became the next president was important enough to vote for or register to vote for.
Or else they thought it was a done deal because of a media that wished it so and pollsters who over sampled in predominately liberal areas like large cities and college campuses and got such skewed data that it made them think they did not need to bother. Or they did it on purpose just so their polls would have the results they wanted them to have. If you looked at the collection data and not just the charts it was obvious what they were doing. But most of America didn't look. The propaganda machine did exactly the opposite of what it wanted to achieve.
It makes me wonder how many of those now protesting voted and how many did not. Based on my reasonable knowledge of statistics and my cynical opinion of human nature, I'd estimate at least 55% did vote but of those 5% voted for Johnson or Stein, 30% did not vote, the rest may or may not have but of those 10% are paid protesters, 3% didn't have anything better to do, and 2% are there just to try to incite violence to break out so they can riot, steal, beat people they pull out of random cars, and set things on fire, all of which have happened in most of the protesting cities, even Seattle, although at least in Seattle they are just burning garbage.
I wouldn't believe any polling data coming now that breaks down how America voted by race or sex, or any other label they want to put on us to divide us out, either. We saw how they polled only in select areas, not across America, certainly not in rural areas. We saw that people obviously lied to the pollsters as well, due to fear of getting beaten up, shame, or privacy issues. I think if there is one takeaway anyone should have from this election, it is that you can never believe the polls again, if you ever did in the first place. With my knowledge of statistics, including how to manipulate them, I never did.
So Many Didn't Even Bother
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Who didn't poll in rural areas? Well before November 8 we were hearing of the urban / rural divide. How would that have been known without polling? Professional pollsters sell their services to many types of outfits, not just to news media or political organizers. They have a stake in being professional, using transparent and thorough statistical methods, and doing sampling that will best fit the questions whose answers are sought. How can they stay in business if they are demonstrated to be manipulative of the results they report? Unlike, protestors, pollsters are looking for continued profit.
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Although I guess in a way it does make sense that they do it in blue cities. Most blue cities have disarmed their citizens. Red cities are armed. They'd defend their property. They'd defend their persons. They'd break up the riots pretty quick, I think. Or at least make sure they actually were the peaceful assembly guaranteed by the Constitution and not this thing run amok, trying to violate the very heart of our founding document by trying to overturn an election because they don't like the outcome.
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November 14th, 2016 at 05:14 am 1479100488
But do you think that the citizens in areas of large protests must not have guns, otherwise they would be stopping others from breaking windows, toppling garbage cans, and spray-painting walls? You think citizens would shoot at one another over this, that they are so trigger happy? I actually think people are pretty reserved with their guns, considering how many guns are out there.
And yes, of course, I've seen the maps of voting patterns state to state, county to county. I'm actually waiting to see it broken down ward to ward in my own city. Yes, we have known about the rural urban divide for a long time, and I don't think pollsters ignored polling in rural areas.
November 14th, 2016 at 01:26 pm 1479129989
I'm not saying that people are trigger happy. I'm saying if they were armed, they'd defend their property. Not necessarily by shooting, but by showing. And they'd defend themselves from being pulled out of cars and beaten, yes. They'd defend their children from being beaten up because people found out their parents voted for Trump. Maybe the owner of the car dealership in Portland that had $200,000 worth of damage done by a guy who was just breaking windows (and head lights, and tail lights, and bashing in hoods and trunks) might have been stopped in his tracks. Maybe they wouldn't be throwing lit road flares at the cops at the police. More people would have thought twice.
I have no issue with peaceable assembly, but it's not. The riots are bad. And the busing? Here's a link, watch the CNN video on it, the article itself is a little more slanted, but the police spokesman talking in the video is talking from knowledge of those arrested having out of state ID's being bused in.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-09-22/who-behind-riots-charlotte-police-says-70-arrested-protesters-had-out-state-ids
Police suspect that some instigators arrived from other cities and tried to cause a riot:
http://herald-review.com/news/state-and-regional/the-latest-demonstrators-protest-donald-trump-in-germany/article_cfa925cc-b20b-5f12-b1c7-45c6dd1adc5c.html
I've seen a lot more sources saying this one is real, especially bloggers and vloggers from Chicago with firsthand accounts, and a few saying it is not, and considering that snopes has gotten busted a few times for being wrong and their liberal bias, I don't trust them anymore. But here, make up your own mind:
https://therealstrategy.com/busted-entire-blocks-filled-buses-soros-paid-rioters/
There's a lot more on more conservative sources. Infowars is all over it. Wikileaks dropped something recently, I believe it was 1-36, debunking USA Today's recent article.
So far Seattle has been pretty tame in comparison to other states, but there has been looting and some violence. The mass shooting was unrelated to the Trump protest, was drug related they are saying, just happened at the same time, different location, but the keep linking it. But they are involving school children in today's protest and that worries me if it grows violent.
November 14th, 2016 at 02:01 pm 1479132080
The productive thing to do is to find a good candidate. They need to start looking right now because there is seriously no one. Well, I'd not object to Patty Murray, but I don't know if she's got ambitions towards the presidency. But as a U.S. Senator since 1992 she's got a lot of experience and she's a genuinely good woman. She doesn't run nasty campaigns. She's sunny. She's optimistic. She's honest. And she's real.
November 14th, 2016 at 06:38 pm 1479148726
Your first link has a date of Sept.23 2106, so it is not even a post-election protest.
Your second link gives no evidence about paid protestors, but only the very line you quoted, "Police suspect that some instigators arrived from other cities and tried to cause a riot." Police suspect, not police are investigating, nor police have determined, not protesters inform us, not courts have found. This is not a fact; it is a suspicion.
Your third link states, "we have visual confirmation of how a substantial portion of these professional, paid protesters arrive at the site of the protest, in this case Chicago." and then offers a video of a bunch of buses parked on both sides of a city street, as though that is evidence of paid protestors from outside Chicago. What? Chicago had no conventions, sports events, group tours, professional training events, museum crawls, etc on November 12? Empty buses at the curb prove there were paid professional protesters?
I will say that there are some people in these protests who work for non-profit advocacy groups such as for climate stabilization, LGBTQ, immigrant legal aid, rights of women, against new petrochemical piping projects over the continent, etc, but that does not make them paid protesters. Even if they do get some pay in their directorship (or whatever position) of their groups, it is extremely unlikely that they got an text from G. Soros, saying, "there's $500 in it for you if you go to [nearest big city] and join a protest..+ $50 for every group supporter you can bring along. Buses provided." Sorry, the idea is ridiculous.
I speak as someone who once did ride a charter bus to Chicago to join a march. Nobody paid my way. Nobody paid my portion of the bus expense....I did also join out of towners (They may have come by bus.) in a march in Memphis, but at that time, I was a resident there. No one paid us. I have participated in other protesst, but these are the only two I can think of with a bus element.
Mob rule does not consistently take over large protests. That is an exaggeration.
November 14th, 2016 at 11:29 pm 1479166142
Chicago and 4 of it's suburban cities have banned guns outright. So has Washington, D.C. You are not allowed to have one within those city limits. So you could have one in a storage locker outside the city limits or that you kept in a home in another area of the state, but that keeps you disarmed within your city and within your home where you spend the majority of your time and are most likely, especially in a city with a crime rate like Chicago, to need to be able to defend yourself. The criminals pay no attention to the gun ban. That's why so many citizens are killed there on a daily basis.
At least so far the public school kid walk out protest in Seattle does not seem to be getting out of control at all, which was a big fear. The police are heavily present and the children are behaving much better than the adults on previous nights, although a few of them seem to be out more to get a day off from school than to really be protesting, but then there always is with high-schoolers. The livestreams seem to indicate they aren't going to let anyone mess with the children. Don't know if it will go on much longer since the school day is over. Probably depends on what they are legitimately there for, to protest or to get out of classes. Some will stay, I'm sure.
Look, I'm not a Trump supporter. I'm a law and order supporter. I'm tired of riots. I'm tired of agitators. I'm tired of the mentality I'm seeing that if people don't get their way they're going to try to overthrow the Constitution. If it was peaceful assembly, if it was truly First Amendment behavior it would be fine. It isn't, though. We need to get down to business. Instead of rioting, we need to be watch dogging. We need to be watching every piece of policy that comes out of DC and make sure that if legislature is coming before our elected representatives we make sure we call or write in our support or our non-support of each and every issue. They will listen to their constituents if enough of them speak out using the right channels. But they won't listen to what is going on right now.
And as I said in the original post, it's the cynical part of me that thinks these things. There's a part of me that wants that not to be true, even hopes for it. But I watch as piece by piece more evidence comes out, first on the right, then slowly, slowly confirmed by the mainstream media each time, even when it seems to kill them, even when they still put a left leaning slant on it. I do think by the time this is over there will be much more to support my opinion. Just not quite there yet.