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Paying the Bills and Why I am Mad at the State of New Hampshire

January 2nd, 2013 at 01:17 am

I transferred the money from savings that I saved for January and paid out the following:

$300.00 to Mom for her utilities
39.53 Life Insurance DH
32.70 Life Insurance Me
59.89 Car Insurance
45.63 House Insurance for Old House
41.16 ADT Security System for Old House
153.00 Storage
570.00 Mortgage
29.80 Electricity Old House
100.00 Chase VISA
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$1371.71

I have $227.43 left in checking and $28 of my allowance left in cash to get by on until the 11th. No problem.

I transferred $2000 from ING and it should arrive on Thursday and I will then send that to BoA VISA, my first of four $2000 payments to be made to it this month. I am so excited about putting this card to rest by month's end.

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I have decided that I will be sending my $100 January allowance to a friend of mine in New Hampshire who is in dire straights right now medically. She and her husband are in fear of losing their medical insurance and they both have numerous ailments. She has to take like 12 different medications a day just to stay alive and her husband has to take some too and is in need of surgery.

They have both been unemployed for a while, no more benefits, he's now got a seasonal job that bounces between 10 and 20 hours a week and could end at any time. They have been desperately looking for work and are down to eating one meal a day and were out of heating oil. I also asked her if she wanted me to ship her a 50 pound bag of rice. I have enough gift cards at Amazon to do that. Waiting to hear back from her on that.

They can't get food stamps or Medicaid because of the face value of a life insurance policy, their only asset, despite the fact that they are well below the poverty level at this point. That is the dumbest thing I have ever heard. What sort of state denies someone food stamps and healthcare because if the wife dies they will then have $750,000? New Hampshire!

If she dies they won't need food stamps or the Medicaid, obviously. Basically she's been told she can either die or move to Vermont where they have different rules. Your tax payer dollars at work, people. If I lived in NH, I would seriously be yapping at the heels of my congressmen and my governor and any news channel or paper that would listen right about now.

17 Responses to “Paying the Bills and Why I am Mad at the State of New Hampshire”

  1. PNW Mom Says:
    1357090116

    That is a very kind thing you are doing for your friend! And yes, what stupid, stupid rules....how is life insurance an asset when you can't even use it to live on? Unless of course your spouse dies! Then you would be denied state assistance because you had $750,000 and wouldn't need it! Ugh

  2. Joan.of.the.Arch Says:
    1357091501

    This brought a film of tears to my eyes. Do you think they would be willing ask private charities for help?

  3. LuckyRobin Says:
    1357092468

    PNW--I know. And what a thing to tell someone who is bi-polar and already suicidal.

    Joan--I don't know. She had a hard time asking us in her online community to help and only did after exhausting all her local options. It sounds like she's been turned down everywhere she's gone (most charities are just coming off Christmas and have used their surplus for that). We are all trying to send her a little something via paypal, but I don't know if it will be enough. I'm really worried about her.

  4. Looking Forward Says:
    1357093524

    Terrible!! I wonder how many other states do this?

  5. LuckyRobin Says:
    1357094135

    Yeah, it makes me wonder, too. It seems so ethically bankrupt to me.

  6. SicilyYoder Says:
    1357094493

    Robin,
    Can you email me at beachgirlky@gmail.com? I can help her, too.

  7. LuckyRobin Says:
    1357096652

    Sicily, I did.

  8. Shiela Says:
    1357105259

    that's terrible situation. hope they get more help soon.

  9. Swimgirl Says:
    1357114548

    That can't be right! There is a federal law that won't even allow 401K savings to be counted as assets. I can't imagine that life insurance would be considered an asset!

    I would certainly be investigating further if I were her!

  10. LuckyRobin Says:
    1357121342

    I didn't think so either, but that is what she is being told.

  11. FrugalTexan75 Says:
    1357165004

    Has she heard this from the actual department in NH that deals with food stamps? Because that really sounds far fetched that they'd consider a life insurance policy as an asset. I'd really encourage her to do some major investigation into this.

    I'm wondering .. did they include the life insurance policy as an investment? i.e. a whole life policy?? If so, they really should clarify if that counts as an investment or not.

  12. latestart Says:
    1357168944

    Is it possible to sign over the policy to someone else.

    When my mother qualified for medicaid in Ohio we had to remove her as beneficiary of my father's life insurance policy.

  13. Joanne Says:
    1357170009

    Would your friend be willing to try going to a food pantry? does she belong to a Church? If so, many churches operate food pantries. Just a thought.

  14. patientsaver.com Says:
    1357170886

    I would also suggest food pantry, as there are no real requirements beyond the person saying they need food.

    Rice is heavy; shipping costs would be such that it would make more sense to mail her a check rather than a big bag of rice.

  15. patientsaver.com Says:
    1357171114

    Here are the eligibility rules for food stamps in NH:

    Financial Requirements

    Financial requirements are broken into two components: income and resources. You are considered financially eligible for the Food Stamp Program if both income and resource requirements are met.

    Household Income: All available income for all members of your household is counted when we determine your eligibility for food stamps. However, we subtract certain expenses from that total. If, after subtracting your expenses, your total net income equals or falls below the monthly net income limits for the number of people in your household, you are considered income-eligible.

    Household Resources: All resources you and members of your household own are considered when determining eligibility. Examples of resources are cash, bank accounts, stocks, bonds, permanently unoccupied real estate, and some trusts. We do not count certain resources, such as the home you are living in, your furniture, and certain vehicles. If, after counting or excluding your household's resources, your total countable resources equal or fall below $2,000, or $3,500 if at least one member in your household is age 60 or older, you are considered resource-eligible.

    Household Expenses: Certain household expenses can be subtracted from income that is available or considered to be available to the assistance group.

    Shelter & Utilities - Deductions for shelter costs including rent, mortgage, property tax, and condo fees may be subtracted from your income. Utility costs such as costs for heat, water and sewer, well, septic system, phones, electricity, and trash collection may also be deducted, if the costs are incurred separately from rent or mortgage.
    Child Care - The actual verified un-reimbursed cost of care for a dependent child or incapacitated parent may also be subtracted from the individual's adjusted gross income. Unreimbursed costs are total costs minus any reimbursements made by non-assistance group members. The maximum allowable childcare deduction limits are $200 for care for a child under 2 years old and $175 for over 2 years old.
    Legally binding child support payments - are also allowed as a deduction in net income computations if the applicant is paying them to a non-household member, including repayment of arrearages.
    Self-Employment Expenses - Actual costs of doing business may be subtracted from self-employment income to arrive at countable self-employment income, which is then added to other household income.
    Medical Expenses for Elders and Disabled - Verified un-reimbursed medical expenses in excess of $35 per month and incurred by household members who are elderly or disabled, may be subtracted.

  16. LuckyRobin Says:
    1357270853

    Yes, she has actually been told by the department that handles food stamps that they do not qualify because of the life insurance policy. It is a fully paid up policy. If they were to cash it out today it would only be worth $5000.

    As for shipping, the rice qualifies for free shipping, so not a worry.

    Yes, she has gone to the food bank but they are very short of donations in the county where she lives. There is more demand than supply.

    They are putting the life insurance policy into a trust and trying again, but she says the process takes 2 months or it did the first time they applied.

    No, she's not a church member. She's agnostic. No help there. They have no children and their parents are dead, so no family help either.

  17. Homebody Says:
    1357401044

    That $5000 puts them over the limit. It is an unfortunate situation. Bless you for helping. I did something similar when a cyber friend's house burned down.

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